Turn OFF HTML mail view forever

[x***@tampascanner.info]

Since I upgraded to V4.41 from 3.12C I have a problem.

One of the reasons I use PM over outcrap express etc. is NO HTML mail support.

I see that this has been added to PM, so......

How do I turn OFF ALL THE HTML previews? If the mail is in HTML format its
99.999% spam, and a SECURITY RISK, so I do not want to open it or preview it or
see it.

I've got all the RTF and stuff turned off for outgoing mail, but I need to turn
off the HTML previewing etc.

Thanks!


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[Greg R. Broderick]

Post by x***@tampascanner.info
How do I turn OFF ALL THE HTML previews?

Tools::Options "Message Reader" page, turn OFF check box labelled "Where
a choice of format exists, display the fancy version". Also turn OFF the
check box labelled "Turn attachment preview off by default in the
attachment view".

You may completely disable Preview mode by clicking the button labelled
"List" (5th button from left) on the Folder List window's toolbar.

When a message consists of _only_ HTML, Pegasus Mail will continue to
display the rendered HTML, because that is the only thing that it _can_
display. When a message contains both HTML and plain text versions,
changing these options will cause Pegasus Mail to display only the plain
text version of the email.

Post by x***@tampascanner.info
If the mail is in HTML format its 99.999% spam, and a SECURITY RISK,

No security risk:

Pegasus Mail will not automatically download images referenced in HTML
email, so there is no risk of inadvertently fetching "web beacon"
graphics from a web site.

Pegasus Mail will not _ever_ execute active content (active X,
Javascript, vb script) contained within an email message.

Pegasus Mail will automatically warn you when the displayed URL in an
HTML message differs from the actual <a href="..."> URL value (invaluable
in detecting phishing types of attacks). Pegasus Mail will also pass
URLs in an HTML message through a DNSBL lookup (SURBL.ORG) when you click
on them, prior to invoking your web browser and will warn you (with the
option to cancel) if the URL is listed in this blacklist.

So Pegasus Mail really doesn't present a security risk when displaying
HTML email.

Post by x***@tampascanner.info
so I do not want to open it or preview it or see it.

These options give you the best chance to avoid it.

Cheers
GRB

[Stan Brown]

Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:40:33 -0500 from Greg R. Broderick

Post by Greg R. Broderick
When a message consists of _only_ HTML, Pegasus Mail will continue to
display the rendered HTML, because that is the only thing that it _can_
display.

Not true -- it *could* display the characters, but David chose not to
do that.

[John Gray]

Post by Stan Brown
Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:40:33 -0500 from Greg R. Broderick

Post by Greg R. Broderick
When a message consists of _only_ HTML, Pegasus Mail will continue
to display the rendered HTML, because that is the only thing that it
_can_ display.

Not true -- it *could* display the characters, but David chose not to
do that.

The new Agent 4.0 can convert HTML only messages to plain text, at least
the text that is included in the HTML. It doesn't 'read' the graphic
files where a lot of the spam payload is placed now, but at least it
doesn't display it if the user sets it up that way. It would be a nice
improvement for Pegasus Mail.

[Greg R. Broderick]

Post by Stan Brown

Post by Greg R. Broderick
When a message consists of _only_ HTML, Pegasus Mail will continue to
display the rendered HTML, because that is the only thing that it _can_
display.

Not true -- it *could* display the characters

Which, if they're unencoded HTML 4.01 text, would be entirely
unintelligible to the vast majority of PMail's users. Matters would only
be made worse if the HTML text was quoted-printable or base 64 encoded, or
if the HTML included CSS. David would need to send out a super secret
decoder ring (or the W3C specs) with every license to PMail! :-)

When the choice is between displaying raw HTML that is worse than gibberish
to the vast majority of the program's audience, and displaying HTML _safely
_ and without any of the active scripting or web bugs, I would tend to
prefer the latter, as does David.

Cheers
GRB

[Stan Brown]

Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:00:03 -0500 from Greg R. Broderick

Post by Greg R. Broderick
When the choice is between displaying raw HTML that is worse than gibberish
to the vast majority of the program's audience, and displaying HTML _safely
_ and without any of the active scripting or web bugs, I would tend to
prefer the latter, as does David.

That's a false dichotomy, and I think you know it.

The whole premise of "I don't want this, therefore it should not be
possible" is flawed. It's certainly not difficult to offer an option
in Pegasus to make raw view the default, and I am not the only person
to have asked for it.

[Rob]

Post by Stan Brown
Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:00:03 -0500 from Greg R. Broderick

Post by Greg R. Broderick
When the choice is between displaying raw HTML that is worse than
gibberish to the vast majority of the program's audience, and
displaying HTML _safely _ and without any of the active scripting or
web bugs, I would tend to prefer the latter, as does David.

That's a false dichotomy, and I think you know it.
The whole premise of "I don't want this, therefore it should not be
possible" is flawed. It's certainly not difficult to offer an option
in Pegasus to make raw view the default, and I am not the only person
to have asked for it.

It probably would be possible for David Harris to make this an option, if
he were so inclined. The usefulness of such a feature to more than a
minor handful of hard-core users is extremely doubtful. If you want to
see the raw code, then hit the backspace key.

Too many options is at least as bad as not enough. Possibly worse. One of
the most frequent criticisms of Pegasus Mail is that there are already
*way* too many options. So many that most people have no clue that they
are there, and what they do even if they happen to know how to find them.

Given that the current HTML implementation is *very* secure, I can't
imagine that David Harris will add an option to display the raw HTML code
rather than attempting to display it, if only HTML exists.

[Stan Brown]

Post by Rob

Post by Stan Brown
The whole premise of "I don't want this, therefore it should not be
possible" is flawed. It's certainly not difficult to offer an option
in Pegasus to make raw view the default, and I am not the only person
to have asked for it.

It probably would be possible for David Harris to make this an option, if
he were so inclined. The usefulness of such a feature to more than a
minor handful of hard-core users is extremely doubtful. If you want to
see the raw code, then hit the backspace key.

I find it hard to believe you could actually be *unable* to see the
point, so or some reason that escapes me you must be *pretending* not
to understand.

[Rob]

Post by Stan Brown

Post by Rob

Post by Stan Brown
The whole premise of "I don't want this, therefore it should not be
possible" is flawed. It's certainly not difficult to offer an
option in Pegasus to make raw view the default, and I am not the
only person to have asked for it.

It probably would be possible for David Harris to make this an
option, if he were so inclined. The usefulness of such a feature to
more than a minor handful of hard-core users is extremely doubtful.
If you want to see the raw code, then hit the backspace key.

I find it hard to believe you could actually be *unable* to see the
point, so or some reason that escapes me you must be *pretending* not
to understand.

You said you wanted the raw view, I told you how to get it with a single
keystroke.

If you want something else, then be more explicit with exactly what it is
that you want. Sending vaguely insulting messages will not motivate me or
anyone else to press for the addition of the feature you want added.

[x***@tampascanner.info]

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:00:03 -0500, "Greg R. Broderick"

Post by Greg R. Broderick
When the choice is between displaying raw HTML that is worse than gibberish
to the vast majority of the program's audience,

Displaying "Sender chose to use some stupid non email format to send their
email!" Would be just fine with me. Or the behavior of V3.x

Post by Greg R. Broderick
and displaying HTML _safely
_ and without any of the active scripting or web bugs, I would tend to
prefer the latter, as does David.

This makes the assumption that HTML email in ANY FORM is safe. It is NOT, I've
read all the little blurbs about how it doesn't display this or that for
security reasons. Simple don't do HTML mail, less chance for problems that way.
HTML is NOT for email its for websites and thats where it should stay. If you
need "pretty" then send an RTF, DOC, what ever as an ATTACHMENT. Thats what they
are there for, attaching NON TEXT files. Emails is PLAIN TEXT.

I've pretty much decided, BACK TO 3.12c for me. V4.x and on is trying to add the
features I loathe in outrcrap and its sibling outcrap express.

Thats a shame as PM is, err, was or what is the TRUE PM (prior to HaTeMaiL
being added) is a FANTASTIC program. I've been using longer than I can remember.

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